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Jun 21, 2023Liked by Austrian China

Indeed, Chinese people living here in The Netherlands seem more chaotic, and don't follow rules like Dutch people do. Yet everyone claims China is a police state! A strange myth. Maybe it's projection of our own weaknesses on China.

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What about that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUaYNhzEq_E

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Jun 23, 2023·edited Jun 23, 2023Author

As we have discussed before at length, this Youtuber (Matthew Tye), as well as his partner in crime Winston Sterzel, are professional liars. Watching anything they produce is a waste of time.

See: https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/china-dystopia-psyop-part2

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"China has already tried a centrally planned economy and seen the results. They were poor to say the least. No-one in China is willing to go back to that. Once was enough."

This is a rather naive assumption, have you already forgotten the Shanghai lock down and the wonderful covid zero policy?

"Vice-Premier Sun Chunlan doubles down on Beijing's Zero Covid policy and imposes her style of enlightened central planning on Shanghai."

https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/when-the-commissar-came-to-shanghai

You do realize that was only a test run for what will actually happen when (not if) war breaks out between China and the west.

The ruling class is attempting to bring the masses into a technocratic dystopian future and EVERY country will have the same implementation.

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Who is speculating here?

To say that "no-one" in China is willing to abandon the market economy and go back to socialist poverty may well be exaggerated, but if so, not by much. In fact, as we stated at the time, what happened in Shanghai in the spring of 2022 was a petri-dish style experiment in attempting to use central planning to run a modern economy. At the same time, though to a lesser extent than in Shanghai, large scale government interference in the economy took place all across China. Countless businesses closed down, tax receipts dried up and savings were depleted. For many, the result was a unparalleled disaster. Over one year later, all of China continues to suffer from the long-term economic effects of what was done. It could take years to recover from the fallout. No-one, including the people in government, is likely to forget this anytime soon.

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None of this was an "accident"!

Central planners rule the roost, and China is indeed a petri-dish.

War is a racket, as its clearly in the pipeline, and if I'm wrong then there is nothing to worry about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm

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Accident or not, the lessons learned are out in the open for all to see.

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The authorities in China are doing everything they can to memory hole the events of 2022!

Most of the covid testing booths are gone, or have been repurposed, and the only permanent reminder is the face diapers that many still seem to enjoy wearing.

It would incredibly ignorant to think it couldn't happen again with a different reason and the same result.

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On a side note: You are no doubt correct that wars are highly correlated with increased government interference in economic processes. It is not inevitable however, and we can only hope that, should it come to that, the lessons learned the hard way in 2022 will bear fruit.

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You sound more optimistic than many Chinese I've spoken to. You don't think the next five years of His rule will be as economically destructive as the previous five?

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Jun 22, 2023·edited Jun 22, 2023Author

Most people are not financial analysts. Or economists. It's an acquired skill. Often you have to first hit rock bottom before you can get a lasting rebound. This applies not just to financial markets, but to political cycles, as well. As far as economic policies are concerned, some people learn more quickly; others have to learn the hard way. Was the impact rocky enough to penetrate through to the minds of those in the latter category? We are still in early days, but there is certainly some evidence on the ground which would suggest it was.

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The point of producing under cost and dumping is not immediate profit, but instead to cripple the competition. Vanderbilt used this technique.

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Indeed, though it's a risky tactic, prone to failure, and difficult to sustain. Can you share modern examples where such a strategy generated long term wealth?

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It's obviously a short-term strategy, yet if it works and your competitor goes out of business, there are long-term gains.

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I would have thought they were countless examples of Western companies using undercutting to establish monopolies or duopolies, but these are then entrenched with state support - which supports your argument that state intervention is high in western economies. I’m curious: does the Chinese state step in to prop up large companies?

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If you mean large state-run companies, then yes and no. Direct subsidies do not seem to be common, but preferential access to loans from state-run banks is also effectively a kind of subsidy. This definitely takes place. You can also give preference to state-run companies when purchasing goods and services. This most certainly also takes place, though not always.

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Jun 22, 2023Liked by Austrian China

It has been 10 years since I lived in China but even then it was easy to see that the standard narratives about China were nonsense. For example, the Chinese economy has been on the verge of total collapse since at least 2009 according to Western press.

What I find most interesting is the eagerness of Westerners to believe that China is some type of dystopia only capable of stealing American tech and making junk.

I understand university educated white women doing this because they are always eager to virtue signal loyalty to the powerful leaders of the American Empire.

Men to the right of the divide are more intriguing in their buying all the nonsense about China. They know that they are being lied to all the time by the media and that civil liberties are under major assault by the government and corporations in the American Empire. Yet they believe the same media and Ngos about China.

I think this goes beyond Crichton's Gell Mann Amnesia where if you know a topic well you can see that the news on It is fake. Yet people then go to the next story and assume it to be true while it is as fake as the one they know about. For some reason China puts that tenancy on steroids. Many people on both sides of the political divide in America really want to believe the worst about China

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It just proves yet again that the concept of the "big lie" works. Just repeat the lie frequently enough and it eventually qualifies as "common knowledge" - even if all that "knowledge" is coming from media they otherwise recognize as dishonest. One key tool in use is of course to spread variations of these lies on social media. For some reason many people struggle to accept the idea that Youtubers also work for money.

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Jun 22, 2023·edited Jun 22, 2023Liked by Austrian China

I agree with it being an example of the effectiveness of the big lie. We have no shortage of that lately as has been demonstrated with Russia started an unprovoked war, most narratives around Covid and the 911 official story.

However, the China narratives seem to fill an emotional demand for hysteria (like Covid did) and not just play off it.

Speaking of YouTubers getting paid, the consistency with which the conservative media (including Tucker Carlson) parrot the "China is evil" lies suggest that there is money involved or some type of agreement that they can oppose the Empire on other things but not this.

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I suspect your guess comes very close to the mark. Since his departure from the Fox stage the anti-China rhetoric seems to have disappeared completely.

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Honestly, I believe it’s because hating on China is really about hating the left for these people. They are obsessively anti-left/Communist/socialist, despite not having much of a grasp on what those terms actually mean. Their Republicanism has them dwelling in a McCarthyite/Tea Party world of anti-left, anti-union politics. They want the glory days of post-war American capitalism back without having to understand why it has really gone. It’s the same in Australia too in the populist right. And the mainstream left in Australia is anti-China due to a kind of left economic nationalism, as well as fear of war with China - they would rather line up with the US as ally, which exposes their cultural prejudices which is little more than racism. It’s much easier for people to say big bad China, than to admit the inevitability of imperialist conflict within the capitalist system. Admitting that would lead to rejecting capitalism wholesale, which they would never do given their comfortable position in society. A lot of concepts there, hope it made sense!

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There is no doubt some truth to this, though hopefully you are aware that deception is at work. Hatred of rival tribes is an ancient human tradition, and the divide-and-conquer strategy uses it to divert resentment away from the elites pulling the strings and focus it instead on the other tribe (the internal enemy) and foreign bogeymen (the external enemy, currently Russia and China). The 'Black Mirror' vision on which they have pinned the name "China" has been turned into a symbol which is used a rallying cry for the right. This is channeled into two things: (1) enthusiasm for war with China (which is promoted on the left using other tactics), and (2) an implicit justification for the need to 'tighten the belt' and endure economic hardship.

These strategies are used because over and over again they have been proven to work. Alas, very few people have any knowledge of history, so they are doomed to repeat it. It’s really that simple.

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Aug 30, 2023Liked by Austrian China

I'm not convinced "Hatred of rival tribes is an ancient human tradition", because the anthropological evidence does not bear this out (unless by 'ancient' you mean since class society began). However I absolutely agree divide and conquer strategies have been used since the beginning of class society, a means for a minority to impose its rule over the majority, to justify diverting resources into maintaining their class rule, as you say. Agreed, it's a terrible tragedy how little ordinary people know about history. Thank you for your articles nevertheless, I share them where I can.

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Aug 30, 2023·edited Aug 30, 2023Author

It probably depends which books you read. There are many examples of battles and massacres in prehistoric times which point to the existence of organized warfare. One example which comes to mind is the Tollense valley in northern Germany, where the victims of a battle which took place approximately 3200 years ago were found in 1996. It is estimated that up 5,000 warriors took part in the battle. The remains of the victims showed evidence that many came from a range of areas far away. This is interesting because it shows that this was not just a local conflict, but rather organized warfare conducted by people specialized in this activity. The Schletz and Schöneck-Kilianstädten massacres are two other examples of ancient mass killings, albeit on a smaller scale and much farther back in time.

If we look at our close relatives, we can also find similar evidence. See for example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/06/does-chimp-warfare-explain-our-sense-of-good-and-evil/58643\

Side note: According to one interpretation of the Tollense remains, many of the 1,400 people slaughtered there probably belonged to a merchant caravan. Theft is a common motivation for violence: See https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/europes-oldest-massacre-0014460

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What do you describe indicates to me societies divided by class and engaging in expansionist war. Pre-class societies had very few weapons according to archaeological evidence. The first few chapters of this book briefly summarise some of the record http://digamo.free.fr/harman99.pdf

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Thanks for sharing. If it were related to the post topic, I might say that Mr. Harman is engaging in some wishful thinking which is not supported by the evidence; however, this being a tangent now far far away from the original topic, we had best relocate this discussion elsewhere ;) Feel free to contact us on Telegram @austrianchina if you wish to continue it.

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>I understand university educated white women doing this because they are always eager to virtue signal loyalty to the powerful leaders of the American Empire.

What did I just read?? In western universities there is a push for left liberalism, everybody knows and can see that.

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Isn't that the same thing?

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Well, if you consider the US as a right-wing warmonger exploitation empire, no.

If you consider it a puppet used to propagate marxist globalism, then yes.

It is the latter, masked (and operating) as the former, so, the expression "empire" I think is out of place. If there is an empire to recognize, its head is not the US.

(And sorry for the late reply)

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Though we can't speak for the commenter (Al), your latter explanation seems to fit the known facts better. How is an empire under the rule of foreign masters any less of an empire?

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Well every company I do business with that has plants in China have to partner with a Chinese company so "foreign owned businesses" is a bit of a stretch.

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In times past, there were indeed many manufacturing industries in which it was not possible to register a "wholly foreign owned enterprise" (WOFE). These days it's pretty rare however. Tesla is a prominent example of this. Car manufacturers were previously forced to setup JVs, but those times are past. In the services industry such restrictions are almost unknown. What special goods do your business partners produce?

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Tooling & mold making. China totally decimated my industry.

In the early days they sent back absolute junk and I'd tell customers that if you will accept that junk from me I will do it for the china price.

Never got any takers.

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The area where I live is almost dedicated to plastic industry (it's called the Plastic Vallée). There are thus many companies doing molding and I know some factory owners. As an aside, the 'Valley' is very attractive because it is nested in a beautiful natural environment and is not really polluting or ugly.

So, recently I asked a factory owner about the Chinese competition. The answer was that, indeed, at some point, the competition had had a bad effect but actually the work was of such bad quality compared to what is done here, that many customers were again working with the Vallée's company which offered a much higher standard of quality.

https://www.plasticsvallee.fr/

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Jun 25, 2023·edited Jun 25, 2023Author

Thanks for sharing. See the response above. Competition is always good for the consumers, unless their market segment is too small to justify creating products specifically to meet their needs. For producers it CAN also be good, driving them to innovate, cut costs and differentiate themselves, but of course it CAN also lead to the death of those unable to adjust. This could be due to incompetence or other personal reasons, but it could also be due to regulation or taxation, or because the country in which they are located systematically overvalues its currency. Needless to say, almost all the Western currencies are significantly overvalued vis-à-vis the Chinese yuan, a situation which is clearly the result of collusion between both sides. This leads to all sorts of distortions which are in our view unquestionably bad.

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Jun 25, 2023·edited Jun 25, 2023Author

Producers tend to deliver the level of quality which the market demands, no? Doesn't the term 'decimate' imply that the market was satisfied with the level of quality which those Chinese competitors were supplying? As mentioned in the article, competition AMONG Chinese companies tends to be brutal, so there is a not a lot of room for supplying quality above and beyond what the market is willing to pay for. That said, there are often - though not always - niches for suppliers of higher quality goods. Generally speaking, these niches of course tend to grow over time. In a competitive market, the suppliers will then adjust their products accordingly. This certainly holds true for China. And in fact, inside China many foreign manufacturers with domestic production tend to do well by targeting the high quality segment, especially mid-sized manufacturers from Germany and Japan. This is a reminder that they most certainly CAN compete with their Chinese counterparts, even selling at higher price points.

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When I was in Mali, there was a little funny story floating around:

A Malian businessman went to China to by toothpaste. The Chinese company told him that it would cost 250 CFA per tube. The Malian said it was to much, of course. After deep conversation, the Malian was happy to come back to Bamako having had 50 CFA per tube. When the whole stock arrived in the country, from Lomé or Abidjan, the tube were empty. Enraged, the Malian businessman called China and of course complained about what he got. The Chinese just answered: "you asked me for 50 cent CFA tube, you got what you asked for sir".

Take care

PS: did you read the 'relevant' comment to the article you wrote about your experience in Chinese hospitals?

Stay safe!

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And the moral of the story is...?

On a side note: While we of course appreciate your readership and interaction, please try to keep the discussions related to the topic of the article you are commenting on. For other content, as mentioned before, we suggest contacting us via Telegram. You may also wish to note that the articles we share have multiple authors.

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Jun 25, 2023Liked by Austrian China

The moral of the story is obviously that the Chinese offer you what you pay for...

I had never realized that you were multiple authors, it is not obvious.

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I especially like the central planning aspect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm8q43XtTvU

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This one is also by the professional liar Matthew Tye. Youtube promotes him and his partner Winston Sterzel heavily. As mentioned above, watching anything they produce is a waste of time - unless of course you want to research how propaganda works.

We discussed the topic here: https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/china-dystopia-psyop-part2

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First of all: Thanks for not removing the post. Just about reading your article.

I'm following these two since forever and witnessed their change in tone and topic. Personally I think there is lots of truth in their videos as I personally know people fled from China due to the new Mao.

But due to the upcoming Empire Wars I also consider them making their personal fortune out of the situation by producing propaganda.

The "sucked into the ground" portion of the video is hillarious btw.

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Given the increasingly low level of respect for freedom of speech in many countries these days, there are indeed many understandable reasons driving people to relocate. People from inside the Empire seek refuge outside, while others from outside seek refuge inside. One sees this particularly among journalists. Quite a few Chinese and Russian journalists have made this decision, as have Western journalists going the other way.

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One Brit from the crypto industry who obtained asylum in Russia:

https://telegra.ph/The-saga-of-a-British-crypto-guy---from-North-Korea-to-Russia-through-FBI-and-Saudi-jail-06-19

He could of course have come to China, as well, but at this point China is very hard to immigrate to.

I'm sure Julian Assange wishes he had done the same while he was still a free man.

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Jun 25, 2023Liked by Austrian China

Once again, a very informative article! Thank you and keep on writing. We in the West are fed up with so much bullshit.

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Jul 3, 2023·edited Jul 3, 2023Author

Thanks to Brazil's Instituto Rothbard for posting a Portuguese translation of the Top 10 Myths:

https://rothbardbrasil.com/top-10-mitos-sobre-a-china/

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